On 3/24/23 12:33, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> On 2023-03-24, Kaya Saman <kayasaman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the responses. Somehow they ended up in my Gmail SPAM
>> folder?? I don't think I've got them all as I feel I'm missing one :-(
> You can check mailing list archives if wanted.
>
>> In my area.... you would think being a large City that there would be
>> more options available but I am down to around 5 providers, 2 of which
>> are cable based so mainly deal in TV over IP stuff.... currently I'm
>> just about to sign on with G-Net as really outside of BT there is no one
>> else around that I can see as being suitable :-(
> Cities are often harder to put fibre infrastructure into than rural areas.
>
>> Stu, could you elaborate a little on what you mean about the technology
>> being used? From my own experience in DSL and having a Zyxel DSLAM (to
>> play with - yeay to nppd in OpenBSD haha) there are different profiles
>> that you can put users on.
>>
>> I'm guessing that you are referring to the signalling type of the actual
>> fiber connection itself? <- as in multi mode or single mode etc.. I'm
>> not confusing DSL with fiber as they are two separate technologies but
>> just trying to relate to each.
> Multimode and single mode are different types of fibre (different core size).
> Typically need different wavelength light sources. Multimode only really
> used for short distances; single mode used for anything.
>
> You can do different types of signalling across them - the most common are
> ethernet at various speeds and various types of PON (passive optical network;
> a splitter/combiner sends the same light to multiple subscribers; various
> speeds, GPON is quite common running at 2.488Gbps down 1.244Gbps up - the
> upstream side is shared out by timeslots). Some cable providers (in the UK
> including virgin media) use RFOG which is converted to an electrical signal
> over coax at the subcriber side, mostly as an interim thing so they can
> continue to use old cable modems etc.
>
>> My line is a business line with a block of 8 IPv4 addresses and will
>> have VoIP services to follow as I need to port my PSTN number across to
>> a SIP trunk.
> (btw AAISP's voip service is well priced and reasonably reliable.
> Unlike what polarian thinks, I don't hate them. They are a bit overhyped,
> and expensive for some services, but definitely have their uses).
>
>>>> Some ISPs, such as virgin media, do support custom routers... sort of.
>>>>
>>>> They force you to pass all packets through their router, but you can put
>>>> the router in modem mode and then push packets through it with a second
>>>> router, but the router is still mandatory to use.
>>> Virgin Media are a bit of a special case because they're mostly doing
>>> cable modems and yes they do require their combined router/modem device.
>>> It wouldn't really help much if they split into separate modem and
>>> router anyway. And anyway they are moving to GPON (after a slight diversion
>>> via RFOG to allow them to do new fibre infrastructure installs using fibre
>>> before they have got proper fibre CPE ready).
>> I would imagine Sky doing something similar as both are originally cable
>> media providers. But I have never used either so....
> Sky hasn't done cable (and fwiw their ISP network is fairly decent).
>
>> For now I will see what happens with this ONT. It's the size of a dongle
>> and I don't have much hope for stability but perhaps later on once it's
>> installed and up and running and I have some more information from tech
>> support, I can look at going my own route.
> They are fine.
>
> Don't overthink it. As they say they do pppoe and it sounds like there's
> no issue with using your own router, seems like it should be fine.
>
>
Your the best Stu :-) After all these years and really understand how
yes, I tend to over think or confuse or not be able to communicate what
I mean properly. It is due to a diagnosed condition if you haven't
already guessed but I am glad that you are around :-)
Of course I'm not ignoring polarian's help either but just trying to be
a little specific here ;-)
In do agree that some ISP's maybe evil controlling organizations that
want to lock you into their way as doctrine but I don't all providers
are like this... especially ones with business packages serving
enterprise level clients. Pretty much as the large enterprises will have
their own systems and many of them will use Juniper firewalls or Cisco
ASA type devices which need either direct connection to the ISP or at
least some form of bridged connection. It wouldn't be in the ISP's best
interest to dictate equipment and policy in these cases.
There are even many ISP's who use OpenBSD as PoP (point of presence)
servers or that play other roles in their networks.
My biggest concern when starting this thread stemmed from a lack of
communication from tech support which I have been told are swamped. At
least they have the knowledge and we speak the same language. Of course
that caused a major panic and anxiety levels on my side to increase
astronomically. Actually, a similar reason to why I haven't upgraded my
systems in a while in addition.... but that's going totally off topic.
Anyway, let's see what happens on Monday!!
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