Re: Does openBSD come with a web browser?

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On 9/25/23 02:03, Christoff Humphries wrote:
> The FAQ is nice, but there are also folks out there that have written
> some additional handy resources, such as:
>
> - https://www.k58.uk/openbsd.html (on installing and getting XFCE
> and Firefox working, including changes to staff group to increase
> allowed resource limits, etc)
>
> - https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/ (howtos on many things)
> -- including https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/services/webserver/ssl/
> (how to setup httpd with acme-client with multiple domains)
>
>
> Note that after you install packages via pkg_add, there may be a
> note displayed telling you to read a file. Within that file is
> important information you should know. They're usually in the
> /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes directory and you should read them.
>
> For Firefox in particular it will tell you things you may want to
> do to get the behavior you're used to. See:
> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/www/mozilla-firefox/pkg/README
>
> And for XFCE:
> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/meta/xfce/pkg/README-main
>
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Sunday, September 24th, 2023 at 11:34 PM, Jean-François Simon <jfsimon1981@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> You'll find how to install OpenBSD following FAQ pretty easily.
>>
>> After install, you'll be able to add packages (install software) with a
>> simple internet connection.
>>
>> You'd have to install for example XFCE, Thunderbird, Firefox, Chromium.
>>
>> OpenBSD base install does includes a set of GUI and packages, but not a
>> full fledged OS, but that's easy to do and above recommended packages
>> should do well.
>>
>> Forget about searches, at this point you can easily start install base
>> OS, packages, if needed get help on mail list or IRC, first go to the
>> man and FAQ on website, they provide a path to get you up and running no
>> difficulty.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jean-François
>>
>>
>> On 9/12/23 08:21, Eric Demer wrote:
>>
>>>>> (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have
>>>>> not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Does openBSD come with a web browser?
>>>>> The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html
>>>>> suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more
>>>>> detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ .
>>>>> Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear.
>>>>> The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search.
>>>>> Cheers!
>>> Perhaps I should steer clear anyway, but what's probably
>>> the reason I didn't find that answer may change things.
>>>
>>> Specifically, do you find that information with a basic web search
>>> while using none of Stackexchange , Reddit , Youtube , Google ?
>>>
>>> For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am
>>> not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results saying
>>> that one can easily install Firefox on openBSD, and remember at
>>> least one result saying that some people use Lynx on it, but those
>>> didn't address whether there's one that comes already installed.
>>>
>>> I did go into results saying that one can easily install
>>> Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying
>>> that some people use Lynx on it, but those didn't
>>> address whether there's one that comes already installed.
>>> The other search results (from using duckduckgo) I found
>>> that mentioned openBSD - as opposed to just freeBSD -
>>> were all from stackexchange and reddit and youtube.
>>>
>>> I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which,
>>> them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause
>>> as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in
>>> me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to.
>>> Since the trigger for those Terms was something like,
>>> using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally
>>> gone back there, and have left immediately when I've
>>> accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there.
>>> (In particular, if they no longer have
>>> such Terms then I don't know that.)
>>>
>>> My brief search for Reddit's Terms brought up Reddit
>>> result previews suggesting that Reddit's Terms are also
>>> such that according to them, using their site to view
>>> their terms would constitute acceptance of those terms.
>>> Furthermore, according to
>>> https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/contrib-versions
>>> /blob/main/Reddit/Terms%20of%20Service.md
>>> , the changes provision in Reddit's Terms manages
>>> to be even worse than that of Stackexchange's Terms:
>>> Its change-acceptance is from access to or use of "the Services on or
>>> after the Effective Date of the revised Terms", and it does not say
>>> the Effective Date can't be before the revised Terms were posted.
>>>
>>> Youtube's Terms are better, but (0) it's Google, and
>>> (1) the "launch a new product or feature" exception is
>>> merely a timing restriction: It's not limited to changes
>>> that have anything else to do with the new product or feature.
>>> Google's Terms seem to have the same changes provision.
>>>
>>> Eric Demer