> This is nonsense. For the MAJORITY of UK ISPs there is no problem at all
> using whatever router you want.
No it is not, there is a reason why tech saavy ISPs exist, and it is
because most ISPs are hesitant or outright against the idea of custom
routers.
When the ISP provides you a router they lock the credentials into the
router. I might have been wrong about openreach based ISPs because by
the look of it, although not supported by the ISP, in most cases you can
get a third party router working.
But I am not wrong about virgin media, there is no way to get rid of
their router, I have tried numerous times.
Seems like a classic case of Polarian exaggeration when it comes to
Openreach.
If the isp does not hand over your credentials you can not use a third
party router, end of story. I am not wrong here.
> The most common ones where you can't are (mostly geographically limited)
> "altnet" providers that don't do wholesale (and in some cases barely seem
> to know how to run a network at all...)
There is tons of smaller ISPs but they tend to be the nicer ones when it
comes to custom hardware, they do not have the money to design their own
custom routers, thus will let you source the right one for the job.
>
> Virgin Media are a bit of a special case because they're mostly doing
> cable modems and yes they do require their combined router/modem device.
> It wouldn't really help much if they split into separate modem and
> router anyway. And anyway they are moving to GPON (after a slight diversion
> via RFOG to allow them to do new fibre infrastructure installs using fibre
> before they have got proper fibre CPE ready).
The ONLY reason why for some openreach isps you will be able to use a
third party router is due to openreach being the last mile and decides
the authentication mechanism.
> BT allow you to use your own router.
Yes I searched it, they are against it because "it is insecure", but
they do provide the credentials if you want them.
>
> Sky allow you to use your own router. (Used to be some extra faff with
> sending specific DHCP options though I understand that has stopped now).
As far as I am aware, you have to get on your hands and knees and beg
them for the credentials.
> btw you talked about contended services; yes fibre services are
> contended, but so are ADSL/VDSL (uplink for the termination kit is
> lower, often *much* lower, than the combined available capacity). And
> backhaul from the exchange is contended. And internet bandwidth is
> contended. And their transit provider's bandwidth is contended. Same for
> all types of access technology, it's just too expensive otherwise.
VDSL (FTTC) uses a 1gbps fibre bearer, but in this case, your line cant
use it all, it can only do max 80mbps down and 20mbps up, you would
struggle to overwhelm the cabinet, compared to FTTP installations.
> - Weird semi broken authoritative name server :p
I am aware of this, they are working on it afaik.
> - Lots of NIH
NIH?
> - If someone sends too many packets at you they aggressively knock the
> connection offline and don't allow reconnection for a short time (which
> is fun if you forget and accidentally try a udp bandwidth test from a
> colo box with decent connectivity...)
You really hate them as an ISP, when did you last use them?
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