Re: clang 13 space issues with KARL

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 07:57:20PM +0200, Peter J. Philipp wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:47:14AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > >On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 10:44:09AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > >> If people built properly sized machines there would be no problem.
> > >
> > >That's a little condescending don't you think?
> >
> > Not at all.
> >
> > If you don't use a tool as it was intended, you bear the consequences.
> >
> > *WE* built the tool. *WE* decided how it works. We even documented
> > how much resources it typically needs. When people use it
> > incorrectly, it is their own damn fault. *THEY* can make adjustments.
> >
> > But they cannot complain, because they did not pay and even if they
> > had there is no warrantee.
> >
> > There is nothing condescending about telling someone their complaints
> > about how something works are falling on deaf ears. I don't give a
> > flying damn if KARL is hurting people who don't provide their machines
> > with reasonable defaults. It is their own damn fault, and they can
> > make manual accomodations for their own (completely stupid, IMHO)
> > decisions.
> >
> > In this modern world is has become *impossible* to complain about
> > any technology which doesn't work like you want, companies who take
> > money don't give a damn. Here's the shocker: I will not be held
> > to a higher standard than that. So Peter, your attitude stinks
> > and your suggestion that anything I've said is "rude" rather than "real",
> > thgat suggestion of yours is an insult.
>
> OK, I get it you're having a bad day. I'm sorry if I was rude.
>
> BTW do you know any operating systems that aren't BSD, Linux that I can
> continue on? Surely you'd be in the know for this.
>
> -peter
>

This is the second time in a week someone has posted on tech or misc
asking why we don't run well on ancient or ridiculously low resource machines.

Your question about why KARL doesn't work well on such machines is effectively
the same as "why doesn't LLVM work well on my ridiculously small machine?"

I'd suggest that question should go to the llvm developer mailing list. We don't
control how much RAM LLVM requires.

I can totally see where theo is coming from.

-ml